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"They're your words, but ...": Context 22 Panel

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"They're your words, but ...": Context 22 Panel

Postby Danny on Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:09 am

They're your words, but we have to serve them..."
Panel discussion at Context 22

Tentative panelists: Myself (Danny Evarts, Art Director/ Technical Editor for Shroud); Tim Deal (Mr. Shroud himself); Kevin Lucia (Author/ Editor of an upcoming Poetry anthology form Shroud); R. Scott McCoy (Publisher/ Editor at Stygian Press/ Necrotic Tissue, as well as someone who recently went through having a novel edited); Dan and Jackie Gamber (all-around authors, publishers and editors at Meadowhawk Press. Jackie edits many things, as well as writing intense tales).

I still don't have a scheduled time at the convention for this, but thought I would give people more of an outline on what the panel will be.

This will be a panel on the "art" or "science" of editing and copy-editing an author's work, whether for magazine or book form. While authors put words on the page, it is up to the copy-editor to make those words readable for publication. How does this workflow move? How do large publishers and small press handle this? What is the relationship between a copy-editor or editor, and the author? What are the differences between preparing text for book form and magazine form?

How many times have you read through your own work? After the 2nd or 3rd or 50th read, do you really see it anymore? Sometimes an author is so close to their work—they hear it in their heads, know every character, see what they think they're saying—that they no longer see technical errors that may make it difficult for the reader to grasp their story. Sometimes, a writer just forgets that "let's" may have an apostrophe. Spellcheckers don't catch many flaws (plurals, alternate words, homonyms, punctuation, tense changes, etc.), and your mind sees what you know should be there. But is what you know should be there really what a reader will see? While you may read something one way, knowing the story, others may not see that.

It is the editor or copy-editor's job to point out such errors. To let you know that something may not be clear. A different word may be better in some place, or a sentence is run-on if it has 10 "and then he"s in it. Or, on the fly, punctuation must be changed for actual print (so you don't end up looking bad as an author). How do we (the technical side of the equation) do this, and—more importantly—how do we do this without offending you, as the author? What sort of changes do we make, to publish a technically correct story or article, and make both the publication (and the author) look good, without altering the voice of the writer?

We will also be delving into, and try to focus on, the relationship between technical editors and the author. Sometimes, a story may be rejected not on its content, but rather on its voice, and this is not personal. And, once it is accepted, changes may still need to be made. While large print houses may just thrust your words onto the page, trusting spellcheckers and the like (want proof? Read any Harry Potter book, especially the last one. Full of annoying and pointless errors), small presses (though usually strapped for time and manpower) often make it a point to take care of your words, to consult you about major changes or problems noted. What we do is not personal, or an attack on your skills, but trying to help both you and ourselves look good, and put out the best product possible.

Basically, we would like to expose writers getting into print to the notion that their words may be changed, that there is a relationship between the publisher/ technical editor that must be fostered, and that we do care about your words, even if we may change them. They are _your_ words, but it's our job to make certain that what is read is actually what you're saying. And personal feelings, or indignation, should not get in the way.

All this in only 50 minutes. :P We're still framing the panel, and will let you know the time, and more details, as they are settled. But, anyone headed to Context that would like a peek at the more technical side of things, please attend! I even promise I'll try to be amusing, and let other people talk.
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Postby KevinLucia on Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:05 am

I'm stoked. As a writer, I'm pretty passionate about this subject, actually. Looking forward to it.
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Postby shroud on Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:38 pm

Excellent job!
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Postby Danny on Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:30 pm

An update on this ...

The panel is currently scheduled for 10 am Sunday morning. If any of the panelists can manage to drag their asses out of bed after the party the night before!

I'm also scheduled to be on a couple of other panels, "That's not my book on this cover!" and another on gender issues (but the second conflicts with the editing one, so will prob. have to drop that.) Someone want to tell me what I'm doing? :P
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Postby KevinLucia on Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:29 pm

Mmm. Better go easy on the Budnt cake Saturday night....
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Postby Danny on Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:03 pm

KevinLucia wrote:Mmm. Better go easy on the Budnt cake Saturday night....


The bigger fear is the Monkey Bread ...
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Postby shroud on Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:48 pm

Dude! nice job!


Danny wrote:An update on this ...

The panel is currently scheduled for 10 am Sunday morning. If any of the panelists can manage to drag their asses out of bed after the party the night before!

I'm also scheduled to be on a couple of other panels, "That's not my book on this cover!" and another on gender issues (but the second conflicts with the editing one, so will prob. have to drop that.) Someone want to tell me what I'm doing? :P
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Postby Natalie L. Sin on Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:33 pm

Danny wrote:An update on this ...

The panel is currently scheduled for 10 am Sunday morning. If any of the panelists can manage to drag their asses out of bed after the party the night before!


My suggestion would be to skip going to bed :shock:
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Postby rsmccoy on Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:00 pm

Danny wrote:An update on this ...

The panel is currently scheduled for 10 am Sunday morning. If any of the panelists can manage to drag their asses out of bed after the party the night before!

I'm also scheduled to be on a couple of other panels, "That's not my book on this cover!" and another on gender issues (but the second conflicts with the editing one, so will prob. have to drop that.) Someone want to tell me what I'm doing? :P


I'm going to need Dew, lots and lots of Dew. If it's like the last party, I won't even get to bed until 4:00 AM!
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Postby KevinLucia on Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:49 pm

Well, considering I've got an eight drive ahead of me Sunday, I'll be in bed early. I'm a pansy as it is. Not a night person at all.
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Postby Danny on Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:37 am

KevinLucia wrote:Well, considering I've got an eight drive ahead of me Sunday, I'll be in bed early. I'm a pansy as it is. Not a night person at all.


Old man! :P
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Postby KevinLucia on Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:09 am

Eh? Wha's that you say? Ma hearin' aide fell out!
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Postby shroud on Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:07 pm

Right now the Context site only mentions 3 people on the panel.
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Postby rsmccoy on Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:55 pm

I noticed that. Greg was told he was on one panel but his name is not listed. I wonder if they just listed what they considered big names or if those are the only people on the panels.

I think we could crash a few if that is the case.
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Postby Danny on Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:28 pm

It is very odd. They're listing Dan Gamber, myself and Kevin. Last version it was only myself and Dan Gamber.

Must be madness for them right now, but i don't care what anybody says. It's my panel, and I get to serve it! Including who is on it. So there!

Which, I demand is Tim, Scott, Kevin, Dan and Jackie (and myself, since I can't get out of it now).

Hope to see you all there!
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